Free will versus determinism

[halo]

Is anyone interested in discussing this topic? Even though it is an old debate, I don't believe there is nothing left to uncover. I hope there are people who would like to share their views.

[halo]

I am very surprised that no one is interested in this topic, since it has been the most difficult but challenging subject in philosophy.

[halo]

I would like to share a book on proof of determinism. It's online for free. Anyone interested?

[abaris]

halo:

I would like to share a book on proof of determinism. It's online for free. Anyone interested?

Well yes.
I would be Interested to discuss this topic. Just waiting for you to present your take on it. So by all means: Fire away!

[greg]

Originally Posted by halo

I am very surprised that no one is interested in this topic, since it has been the most difficult but challenging subject in philosophy.

Hi halo

I am for free will. Didn't see this thread until now.

Greg

[kris]

Originally Posted by halo

I would like to share a book on proof of determinism. It's online for free. Anyone interested?

Can we start by you telling us who forced you to start this thread?

[halo]

Originally Posted by abaris

Well yes.
I would be Interested to discuss this topic. Just waiting for you to present your take on it. So by all means: Fire away!

Hi abaris, the truth of the matter is we don't have free will at all because every choice we make must be the choice that offers us the greatest satisfaction at each moment in time, rendering all other choices an impossibility. That doesn't mean we are always satisfied; it only means that among the options that are available to us, we must choose that which we believe is the better alternative under our particular circumstances. This has nothing to do with what other people feel is the best choice for us, but what we believe is best for us. Therefore, choice is an illusion because only one choice is ever possible.

[halo]

Originally Posted by kris

Can we start by you telling us who forced you to start this thread?

This is the problem. I am not using the word 'determinism' as conventionally defined. We must begin the conversation with a definition that makes it feasible to choose between alternatives, and yet no have free will. I need to explain the definition I am using, which is not being forced by antecedent determinants that remove the agent and turn us into robots.

[halo]

Originally Posted by greg

Hi halo

I am for free will. Didn't see this thread until now.

Greg

I understand why you are for free will. People get very uncomfortable thinking that their will is not free, but if we look deeper we will see that there is nothing to be threatened by.

[Michael]

I think the debate of determinism v non-determinism is just another piece of binary thinking based on the misleading either/or hypothosis.

Just as wave/particle duality is a reality our reality could be both determined and non-determined.